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Mike show how easy is it I'd just come up to his back yard plays with the adult. He would it would do we are written in what listen to solve the music saga have broken a Bulldog. Another exciting about him take it what is cars and motorcycles. Go back and help. So he's provided you look at you look the way that he's never going up with a beverage it's Mike Hsu open. And a Bulldog. On WG yards boy it's great you'll find fifteen. I had been playing with a here. Mike has the day off today. Self thought you were sitting in for him I'm the Bulldog joining us right now on the AT&T hotline in the NFL draft analyst. And it's NFL old reporter and ran exports co host of draft dudes. It is Joel Marino on the AT&T hotline I Joseph thanks for taking time to join us again. Absolutely appreciate the the opportunity come back on what you. Iron Man let's let's start when we'll get to the college guys do is we are. You're familiar with helping to work in buffalo at this time of year we are perennial perennially in the hunt. So this the ground beneath those starts to shift towards. Which corporate actually be of interest in the middle of the first alone because that's usually where the bills are picking. On how the situation that we have at hand here. You can dial it back to the initial decision a couple of weeks ago by Sean McDermott to switch to Nathan Peterman. Now he may not have a choice because Tyrod is heard alluded practice on a limited basis today. What's your read the situation here in buffalo. Well I think for. I guess the last three years Tyrod Taylor has done an adequate job is Buffalo's starting quarterback but if you look at. All three of the contract that he signed. Bot would have been anything but committal about him being the long term answer at quarterback and now this current regime. And Rick Dennison offensive in an offense that really is predicated on winning from the pocket getting throws with timing and anticipation. In really kind of challenging all three levels of the field. Went with a sense of understanding of how to read coverage and where to put the football. It doesn't play well the pirates strength and Tyrod as you know it's very mobile he's that's when eaten it downplays this beaten and pick up yards as a as a pro and a broader. He's more of of a point and shoot pastor where he wants to see. We are targets that are open and hit them you know what without a whole lot of coverage nearby he's not gonna make those type when the pros and so. You have to think that ball well and would love for me Peter mean could be the guy that can do that. And and at the time where they made the decision to put him in that made a lot of sense because. What was coming out some very poor offensive showing. The defense was all continuously on appeal because tribes were not sustained it was screen out after three and out if you thought maybe need to you can get this buffalo moving offense moving. With more consistency in and of course that backfired and as John McDermott said putting Tyrod the best. Think for the team and that's that's absolutely true the promise he still doesn't fit what they want to sit and both well deserved criticism for not adapting system that plays to his strengths but. Clearly you know they they have their issues with his style I think they want Peter going to be the guy and and I don't think. They've seen enough right now to really continue to play him in at the dilemma now you know Tyrod Taylor got the knee injury in good lord if he's not mobile. You worry you worry about the way he could perform on Sunday with without his best attributes and it's a sloppy situation and here we are talking drafting quarterbacks again. The sloppiness of the situation really starts all the way back at them. Agreeing to bring Taylor back in the first place like it because that's the style quarterback he is if you if you lay out your joke. You've got to play those ranks otherwise that what you're doing trying to make him into a three step drop West Coast quarterback just. It it certainly it was I guess it was possible anything's possible but it didn't seem that likely to me and so them not. Designing an offense suited to his ranks like then why did you bring him back in the first place. You know I've thought about that a lot and this is pure speculation on my behalf but I think about Sean McDermott. And he has personality and the way that he just love guys that while the process and work really hard and are committed to the grind and I don't think you have a better example of that and Tyrod Taylor he's probably one of the hardest working guys union itself. And I'm sure Sean McDermott very much observed him in the way he attacked his rehab coming back in its commitment to the team and getting better. And probably fell in love with that said you know I can win with this guy and so they made the decision to roll with him. Again. Reluctantly. Because there's certainly adapt and get out of contract and thought. All right for a first year here we can we can see what we have in Tyrod Taylor was very miserable long term commitment. And and that my speculation as to why I think you know. Taylor was that he's given this season that could prove that he is is really not good. Joseph what did you think an eighth in the coming coming out of the draft. Yet so this is this event property to develop a computer and the computer guy has a third round are great use our number three quarterback in the class animal book Patrick Holmes. And emigrated from the user and he was in my top 100 prospects third round rate. And down. I really liked his ability to keep an offense on schedule a guy that can distribute the football and I can read coverage and go to the appropriate place is with the ball. I understood that he didn't have a great great physical attributes in terms of arms straight but I thought he had enough accuracy and enough anticipation when he threw the football. That had the excitement that was a historically good at offense last year from Peru where they've been in years past what he was able to do that was very good. And then I had a can't see him out quote personal and in Mobile, Alabama for the suitable he dominated the week in a game where you're you're playing with receivers that. You never thrown to except for that week he went out completely 21 and 23 catchers in the game that you looked outstanding all week in practice. There are it will you know not every not every bit to have Tom Brady your Aaron Rodgers and lost the will kill you think OK this regatta can he go off and on schedule and move. Until a buffalo took my thought this was a really good fit. You never magically goes on for a 5% interceptions were senate election. Obviously that's that's gonna put a huge cloud over it and it irks me from my valuation perspective. But I don't think that that have to find it appearance career but he's got a lot about spectrum. All but you wouldn't mind seeing employees and morally yet we we've spent some time this week Joseph pondering whether or not McDermott would be. Over eager. To dip Peterman back on the field to sort of you know get the stench off on nickel because he made that choice the bills were five and four where he made it. And right now to start the splatter everywhere you know is Peerman does play. And you know is. Company. You probably hope for better than madly TVs actually but decent they've been winning game he's all right take care of the ball throw some nice passes. Then the decision. Even though it still blew up. I'm I'm I'm McDermott. Dollars and walk as reckless as it does you know until the until Peter may and does something to erase that by picking up. Yeah I got the only thing note. Which really looms. What I think about that is what if you go someplace that again I. Are you really compounded the issue and the value just looked dom right because you're continuing to play guy who just clearly not ready to play an NFL. You've got out this week he had an out Tyrod Taylor is banged up what is knee injury. And you can certainly use that as your skewed that a new tire I was going to be in it wasn't able to be Tyrod and and could do things to make him go to we have a role they competed in there already giving Joseph Webb some reps like quarterback you know I think they can Peter and probably gonna play this week. And if you play poorly at least there's an out so with that in mind even think maybe it increases a McDermott that with a complaint. Right but he definitely can't just pass over a Tyrod Taylor whose health. No no it because that that that could that could get messy I would think Glock who would have a problem to death due to that there are we are talking with Joseph Marino. Covers the NFL and college football for fan red sports he's on the AT&T outline with us here on the WGR. I just elects kind of transition into 2018. Now from your read of it. Would be right played I think I think most people aren't. Agreement that the bills are gonna move on from Tyrod Taylor may they might not. They knew they would have to pay him basically sixteen million dollars next year I don't think they're gonna do that when there already willing to bench him for a fifth round rookie. Who had never thrown a pass in the NFL this year while essentially had not thrown one. But maybe but what do you read from the situation that the bills would. Elected do that. Go the free agent route or go the draft route or I need than Peter van as the starting quarterback next year. Well I'll say this I've I've hit the road a lot this this fall scouting football games and so is vote several over my colleagues at pen or exports. Not a guy that spent at the big time quarterback. Games this is brand and being in and emotional and so. You know I think about the game that I met were Mark Jackson playing it will Greer and Mason Rudolph we know seem to have to Arnold we know we've seen Joshua roads and when the GM goes. It matters and and Brandon beam is on the road games or marquee quarterbacks always play. And that they'll be wanting the rain and beamed out looking for a quarterback and so he's got the draft capital needed to it to go get them. I go out of things working against the number one. Probably taking in the middle of the first round and put them out of the running her the top two guys right now which are got throws in the big the nation. And then you have a a a ton of teams they're going to be taking out of buffalo that need quarterbacks so it's not a great marriage for. Going ahead and being able to get their guy but there's. The second tier pastor that they believe in that they have a chance to getting so. I think Brandon being absolutely and in the looking for a quarterback I feel about on the road I know he's out there are trying to find. But I don't I don't get overly excited about Buffalo's. Draft positioning and of course the landscape in front of them where. You know both teams are really in position to not take quarterback either read the topic Cleveland they they've got to pick rose an army fielder. There's some quarterback and then there's a whole list of teams after that the giants in the Broncos and if the list goes on and on a mother children need quarterbacks the jets. You know I I just don't know there's going to be. That opportunities strike a deal and move up we're working is going to pass from quarterback and he. While brandy did come from a place where he saw firsthand what that quarterback can do for a franchise in Carolina they were just pitiful. Until Cam Newton arrived there in the Super Bowl within what three years. After Cam Newton got their four years but whatever was he saw that but I'm curious are you not mentioning seemed Arnold because. He might go back to school are you just not mentioning because of you don't think that he would be drafted with those guys. No I think came Arnold part of the mix and you only a third year sophomore. Who. Had some really great moment this year but he didn't take the leap forward. That I think everyone expected him after he caught fire at the end of his record freshman year and obviously the spectacular showing blatant use in the bowl game and everything. Arnold the guy that I idol like a lot about. He's got a lot of work to do mechanically. And Don you've got a lot of work to do with consistency with. The good accuracy means that bit the bat roller scooter girl usual seat. The bad ones are really bad and so there's a lot of work to be done there he's young. And if he's got a lot of mechanical stuff to work out. I don't know if he's part of the conversation sure what we'll see if he is then you know there's been some grumbling are ready then you've got an awful like. You think that he'd be a good fit but yeah I mean that's. His his decision going to be awfully polarizing I don't think he's necessarily that the slam dunk number one overall pick that. You know he was perceived to be over the summer. You also mentioned mayfield up at the top there and I'm curious for. Bomb in these steered your scouting report on him. You know there are some already areas pretty well known concerns there's owed a duty over drunken arrest. Which is not a great look for anyone. And then there is in all the flag Ohio stayed in the crotch generation nonsense against Kansas State. But as a player like him and with that stuff in mind what what are your thoughts on him. Likable lot of football player. Tremendous accuracy it all over the field you. Mobile he's he's got enough arm strength these are you got good arms. I think he checked all the boxes he's the guy that I'd love to have as my quarterback when you neglect him in buffalo and even Josh Rosen. I don't know Gergen it will bring into being and Sean McDermott are trying to build. And X used the term here but I think that those guards there beat him McDermott are looking for good sports. You look at the draft class and know that rain being with a part as to whether the drug class. Does the Sean McDermott let draft class this year you have a lot of seniors a lot of guys with guys with impeccable character reviews. Community people. Guys that are just kind of proved in long term accurately and in. I I think -- buffalo isn't gonna gravitate towards those acts because of the things that you already mentioned about baker may feel that. You know you can you can debate how it impacts and evaluation. In every team can handle it differently but we are talking about the bill and I think they are looking it's gonna return to Labonte. Even Josh Rosen who. I figure the number one quarterback in this class who would be eight poultry. It was you know the way to keep plays stylistically fitting that it is offense. Put even him he had an outspoken opinion. From the distractions that come back and I just don't know being in the permit. Are gonna have the Democrat of appetite for those players especially if overload and you have to hit it out to the next guy to get them I guess I just don't know. It goes to be that it's not camp Arnold more of that got Josh Allen from YM Wyoming is more than a guy. But then you have to wonder if you know it was the right. Good investment to move up or if they're going to be dealt when you when you poll. The trigger word every original graphic is so I really just I think there's I have a hard time with the landscape and quarterbacks. And in the bills and the way that they perceive players in the where they're going to be kicking in and I'm not sure there's going to be a great marriage. Touch on a couple of the others it you can't just for a moment I'm Mason Rudolph. Josh Allen as you just mentioned in a moment ago Luke fault anybody else you wanna throw in the mix there. Yeah I think Mark Jackson and part of that mixes so pumped I don't like Mark Jackson to buffalo they couldn't build schemer on Tyrod Taylor then you know I think you just. Asking for disaster with the Mark Jackson I think that you're at it for blocking and even though I like mark Dekker very much his medical quarterbacks and please understand that you had to walk. Luke walk her. I'd a done his old governor or already I don't have a high grade on him I think he's more relate. Coming from a system that translated incredibly poorly to the NFL. They got Canadian uphill battle Josh Allen is physically gifted as a quarterback you're ever gonna find what you ask. You have further quarterback which used a lot of guys reckoned that that looks the part can control football beautifully that's what they're gonna give you what. The production of the ground there Wyoming the decision making. It seems like that repetitive mistakes here are concerning and you know from an outside perspective it was a lot alike but. You know it's there's a lot of risk involved in the team like he's. Already common the punching bag of his quarterback class that whatever team is ultimately given that I selection gonna have to. Really overcome come of the bullet that they're gonna paste because he just haven't played well. That's that's going to be a concern and Mason Rudolph forgot that I actually like a Paramount. I don't think he's gonna BA you know the super desirable first round pick but you got a lot of production is a lot of big moment in Oklahoma State. You still have the that that transition from a a system that. A lot of spread elements that are difficult to translate to the NFL but I likely throw the football has got the ability to push the ball down the field. But you're the guy that when when things are right around him you know when he had. Pass rush that the pocket collapsing and yet the make quick decisions he kind of continues continuously struggle for couples Eden and in dyslexia and Arnold the growth. That was expected this year. Again last year didn't happen real information rookies really kind of been the same player of the year so you don't really know how much upside and yourself. It's. Two interesting quarterback class is going to be a lot in a lot more to uncover here is that I get deeper into the in the film and stuff but. On it that kind of an exterior not. You know I don't know what we'll go to like any of those guys either it seemed like but I think about buffalo guy that's probably dollar golden and Allen and I'm not sure that there's a whole lot. You know there's a lot of guys need to work on those are far from finished products and know how much longer can buffalo. Wait further quarterback and I think that's gonna be and it's something where I need like a patch or almost where they're gonna have to sit and wait you know that's going to be the case if you take Alan. Or Arnold and and then that the free agency market comes into play and that is buffalo back. Suited to go. Actor Kirk cousins and you call this draft capital to build around and that's that's really bright start to think when I think about what quarterback situation to be like for buffalo and what he could. Whole scale this the idea of spending the money it would take to land cousins. I know he's cut cut and how do you like him as a player like I think he's in he's put up some some good numbers but I've. I don't know I'm I'm Mike buyer beware on him for 45 million dollars a year. Well I think I speak with Kirk cousins you have a player that fits perfectly in terms of that that grinder worker process mentality got to daylight. And the way he win pitched really well with Rick Paterson. System I think everybody was going to answer this right and just go tackle rob blow to the dynamic has changed. And buffalo from their perspective seems really good now you have to ask yourself. Do you wanna make this large investment and Kirk cousins do you wanna make Kirk cousins the highest paid quarterback in the NFL cadet what's going to happen right and are you gonna be the one that's gonna do. And you think about this buffalo team. In the draft capital that has and what it's trying to kill him maybe they are the right there and it goes back to appoint any earlier at every team has Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers. Whatever you don't always get to have those but can you build a team Ron Kirk cousins. It would be competitive and go to go to the playoffs I think I think you can't buy com at the end of the day you're still I think you're going to be it's still have that. That issue of pay you know investing so much capital into a quarterback that's not. Right Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson you know and it's gonna get somewhat handicapped the rest of your roster so there's so much in play but. You know this this playoff streak in the exhaust and work work at least eighteen years here and you just wonder you know it is buffalo team that can say okay let's just. Put all our eggs to Kirk Kirk cousins that we built around them it in Q we can compete. New York I'm terrified the crap that society I just this idea I know the draft is a crapshoot of course. And cousins is at least you have a baseline and you have a body of work and you can you have a certain expectation of what you're going to get from him. Holy cow like signing him and making him but I want to drought and too but I do not want to be the team makes in the highest paid quarterback in football I don't. It's the guy. Tiger makes me makes me really scare one there's one other college judge Joseph before we move on here in and and much go. Whose names is sort of cropped up loosened its due to Mia you know I don't do what you do for a living which just you don't really worked on this all your round. On Mississippi State nick FitzGerald. Did you have any anything on him for us. Yeah I'd stay away com yeah I think you'd you'd you'd. Come away with. FitzGerald is the type of player that sound is is going to be fought a depressed or. I think you have better college football where than his pro football we're really. Struggled with his accuracy. You like these kind of got a guy like one of those. There's your Greek quarterback and lack of better terms but I don't get overly excited about him in in the NFL and I'm not sure he's a player that. I really be thinking about for buffaloes cougars answered. You have a young starting portfolio you wanna give a plug for that helping them get outta their interest and. Yeah actually thank you so much every yard produce I thought throughout Scot and formula 300 reports on. All of the prospects available for the upcoming class right now they. At my own evaluation system that I put all the players scrutiny consistent evaluation that job. I'll put up he's got reports and they in. Put to consisting. The valuation and everybody in the tough pro purchased at any keys doubting dot com and certainly appreciate Jeff can you share that. Aren't that NDT scouting dot com all right Joseph thanks very much for this very thoroughly enjoyed it I'm sure will chasing down again as we get into. You know late winter and spring in real real draftees. All right thanks a marker that is again Joseph Marino file home on Twitter at the Joseph Marino. He's from up in our exports and again you can check out that scouting portfolio and indeed he scouting. Dot com.